Immigrants list 1837 - F & J Buddeberg

[ELSIE]

The above arrived Hull 19th Aug. 1837 from Prussia, on the Wm. Darley ship. I am researching Ferdinand Buttberg, born c. 1825-1837 in Prussia/Germany. The information on Ancestry states that F Buddeberg had a passport and J Buddeberg signed the form. Would this be because F Buddeberg was a child? My earliest knowledge of him is the birth of his son in 1866, St Geo. Square, London. I have him in the following censuses - 1871, 1881, 1891, and his death in 1900 in Manchester, but don't know when he arrived in the U.K.

I think that the F Buddeberg who arrived in 1837 may be my Ferdinand Buttberg, but I don't know how to fill the 'gap' from 1837 to 1866.

His first wife was Katherine Verobach, (she died in early 1870s), and his second wife was Emma Phillips, although I can't find any marriage entries for either of them.

[Sylcec]

I'm afraid that my Ancestry subscription doesn't allow me to see the detail of the immigration record you refer to - however this set of records must have a detailed source description attached, which would both explain the record and where it comes from - quite possibly the National Archives. I suggest that you read their brief guide on immigrants:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/immigrants.htm?WT.lp=rg-3112.

Occupational records often provide a clue to tracing further information - you say his son was born 1866 in London - what was the father's occupation? You may be able to find him listed in trade or other directories.

[ksouthall]

Hello,

Having looked at the records on Ancestry, the initial "J" could be an "F". The occupation is listed as "Kaufmann" which I believe means Merchant, although I do not know what type of merchant F Buddeberg was. I suspect that the F Buddeberg who arrived in Hull in 1837 was an adult and that he signed the form himself, with his "F" resembling closely a "J". He was from Bielefeld in Preussen.

It looks like the record for the 18th August, the Alien Arrivals List, was completed by the ship's master, prior to landing. The record for the 19th August is when Ferdinand actually set foot in England. As I do not have much experience of using Alien Arrivals records (my family is boringly English) I hope someone will correct me if I am wrong on this.

I have found the family in the 1891 Census and noticed that Ferdinand's wife, Emily, was born in about 1843. I will see if I can find them in earlier censuses to see when Ferdinand claims to be born as he may have claimed to be younger to appear closer to her age.

I hope this helps.

[ELSIE]

Thank you Sylced and Ksouthall for your replies. I shall endeavour to try and solve my difficulty re Ferdinand Buttberg pre 1866, with your suggestions.

Elsie

[ksouthall]

I have found a Francis Buttberg, Albert Buttberg and Lily Buttberg in the household of their aunt and uncle, Anton and Katherine Schell in the 1881 Census. Anton Schell was a portrait painter. Francis Buttberg was an art student. Albert and Lily were listed as scholars. They were living in Albert Road, Brighton.

Eva Katherine Schell and Anton Schell died in Steyning District in 1897 and 1898 respectively.

In 1891, a Francis Edward Buttberg and his wife were living in Chatham Place, Brighton. Francis is listed as a Professor of Music. His wife, Emily Louisa, was born in Leominster, Herefordshire.

In 1901, Francis Buttberg is still a Professor of Music, living in St James Square (or Street), Brighton, with his second wife Alice, born in Guernsey. Francis was born in about 1866 in Pimlico.

In 1891, Lily K Buttberg and Alice Buttberg were living with their aunt and uncle, Anton and Katherine Schell in Albert Road, Brighton. Lily was born in Cambridge; Alice was born in Oxford. By now, Lily was also an art student.

In 1891, Albert Victor Buttberg, portrait artist, was living in Scotland.

By 1901, an Albert V Buttberg was living in Scotland with his wife, Jessie, and daughter, Katherine. Albert was born in about 1870 and was a porttrait painter. I am assuming he is the brother of Francis, Lily and Alice.

[ksouthall]

Francis Edward Buttberg married Emily Louisa Wood in Tonbridge, Kent, in Q4 of 1888.

Emily Louisa Buttberg died in 1895 in Brighton.

He married Alice Judith Mahy in Brighton in Q2 of 1897.

Albert Victor Buttberg was the son of Ferdinand Buttberg and Katherine. He was born on 15th March 1871 and christened on 14th September 1876 in Brighton.

Lily Kate Buttberg was born on 14th February 1873. She was christened in Brighton on 10th October 1879. She was the daughter of Ferdinand and Katherine.

Alice Louisa Buttberg was born in about 1868 in Headington District, Oxfordshire.

The earliest I have found Ferdinand so far is 1871, when his surname was listed as Battenberg by mistake.

[ELSIE]

Thank you ksouthall for all your endeavours. Can you tell me where you found Buttberg listed as Battenberg in 1871? I can't find this anywhere.

Elsie

[ksouthall]

Hello Elsie,

Ferdinand and family were living in St Andrew the Less Parish, Cambridgeshire, in 1871. There were three children - Francis, Alice and Albert. Ferdinand was a photographer which fits in with later censuses.

This was on Ancestry.co.uk.

Katherine